IF it was not a #Ukraine #SU25 that shot down #MH17 These 2 videos SHOW WHO CONTROLLED THE SAMS (the Buk Rocket battery) that have been identified as having been responsible for shooting the Boeing down.
Either way all evidence not limited to this post the montage above or the video within on the BUK 312 and 321 or BYK… points to the Ukraine and Poroshenko
Both 321 and 312 have been identified as deployed with the UKRAINE ARMY while 312 is alleged to have been the battery that shot down MH17.
It is conclusive Neither could have come from Russia ….and if it was to claimed that they are a SAM battery that must have fallen into Pro Separatist hands this has never been claimed The time has long passed for that excuse
These videos and the AP picture above of 321 prove that both were in Ukraine Army control and 312 was not from Russia
NOTE: I first published this youtube video
to my facebook July 21
It has been removed but the following is what I wrote to go with the video which was from Ukrainian Army …..I have quite a collection of YouTube videos that are being removed that are from Ukraine and implicate Ukraine in the downing of MH17 and other acts of cruelty
*(At the foot of this post is a list of video all Russian Language that I was using for reference that have been taken down by Youtube
“BUK312 is seen again as the 2nd vehicle in this video with the Ukraine Army in the field near Lugansk
Remember 312 was identified as one of 3 BUKs (Gadflys) M1s that entered Ukraine from Russia last week with 312 shown on TV channels as leaving on a low loader back to Russia minus 2 missiles.
We know it wasn’t on its way to Russia; all the evidence has shown this was not the case….but however you look the propaganda it obvious”
The low loader picture below has been used to allege it was on this vehicle and on its way back to Russia. If you accept that the missile vehicle is part of a *4 vehicle operating unit system, and that the video evidence provided is of the same battery there is only one of two conclusions to be drawn and a question asked
QUESTION: These systems include full launching, loading and radio location units. Where were they Why no evidence of those on their way back to Russia?
1) 312 WAS IN UKRAINIAN HANDS or
2) 312 WAS NOT USED TO BRING DOWN MH17
According to Janes an SA-11 or ‘BUK’ M1 missile system, requires 5 minutes set-up active targeting, followed by an additional 22 seconds ‘reaction time’ for target acquisition vectoring and firing. MH17 was only visible for little over a minute .This means it was being tracked “over the horizon” and a deliberate not mistake to be shot down. Therefore one must where is the M1 (NOT M2) tracking unit?
It is very clear who theBUK (312) belonged to….
It was part of the Ukraine Fascist Army The evidence is irrefutable once you match the 312 WITH 321 both in the same Ukraine army unit
WAS An SU25 The Vampire?
This then takes us to the probability it was an SU25 which contrary to ignorance is capable of flying at and above a modern business class jet that are flying the skies today at 30k plus on much less thrust to weight ratio….. that’s with leather chairs, hookers and tons of booze on board. A dedicated military jet is suddenly not capable of doing that just because it does not fit the propaganda.
In 1948 A tiny Vampire jet (operationally equal to the SU25 purpose as a Fighter-Bomber) was able to break the World altitude Record at 59,446 ft (18,119 m) though its initial Service ceiling was UNPRESSURISED : 42,800 ft (13,045 m)
The altitude record for an unpressurized aircraft is 50600 ft and U2 Spy planes were unpressurised So pressurisation or non pressurisation of the SU25 is a distraction and irrelevant
Any idea that an SU 25 today modified or unmodified lightened or unlightened could not reach 33,000 feet is absurd.
Several aircraft publications including but not limited to
1) “Flugzeuge der Welt” by W. Green (1984), essentially quotes facts of the military aircraft
2) “Janes Manual” (used for NATO reference) page 208 f.
identify the maximum flight altitude of SU 25 @ 35,000 ft (10,670 m) The performance of the SU 25 will have been upgraded since that time
NOT IN DISPUTE:
Dutch interim report says “multiple high-speed objects hit cockpit, leaving multiple holes and leading to breakup of jet.” An airliner is hermetically sealed pressurised chamber, a few well place shots from cannon explosions will, increase the pressure inside the cabin to an extreme level causing it to explode
The pot marked segment of cockpit ABOVE suggests this is what occurred and caused as reported by the Dutch Safty Report “a catastrophic explosion”.