Posted by: daviemacdonald | May 4, 2011

Bin Laden and Terrorism


Some thoughts on Bin Ladin. Some I have I have previously tweeted but also some thoughts that have emerged over the past few hours.

Fundamental to all this is a key belief of mine.

Generally the [Advanced] World is or should be against the death penalty; whatever the crime committed and yesterday both in Libya and Pakistan was not a big day for democracy.

I am in fierce opposition to the death penalty and there is no exception to that fundamental principle. Cruelty is not to be answered with cruelty. I believe that there were other possible means to revenge the orchestrated and or committed by Bin Laden.

The death penalty is not the right answer.” I believe the execution of Bin Laden will have a negative impact and that he will now become a martyr. You don’t fight barbarism with acts that are also barbaric. The death penalty is not compatible with the advances human condition nor is it with democracy.

This entire operation looks like a [highly] staged fairytale. The United States hasn’t proved that it has iron-clad, video-taped evidence regarding the operation and how the body  was transferred to land-locked Afghanistan first, then to be dumped at sea.

For over 10 years, there have been many reports of Bin Laden’s death including Pakistani Presidents Benazir Bhutto in 2007 Pervez Musharraf in 2002 and US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in 2003.

Now with Bin Ladin officially gone the US might move away from seeing the shadowy form of Al-Qaeda as its chief enemy in “the War on Terror”, and refocus on nation state enemies like Libya, Syria and Iran. It will also help to increase support to the Islamists implicated with association with Al-Qaeda in Benghazi

It is also fact that Barack Obama is going into a new election cycle in 2012. Bin Laden’s death is good for wartime president. This gives the us some credence overseas now after the mud of Iraq Afghanistan and more recently Libya.

From the rhetoric of Hilary Clinton’s speech yesterday we can see if the US chooses to engage in a new conflict like in Libya or in Iran over the next 12 months, this is going to help Obama get re-elected.

I thought I would set out some bullet points of thought some that have been part of my tweets yesterday.

  •  It seems we have learned nothing from the missing body of Hitler and the Bunker in 1944.
  • Obama called it justice! Justice for whom? Justice would have been to have brought this man in front of a court for trial so the world could have really seen what a decrepit figure he was He would have been seen just like the Nazi Criminals at Nuremberg. This is an opportunity lost
  • We the world has been denied our justice.
  • Now we know IF HE WAS executed yesterday was it because he would have implicated others in the role that was played in the days of the  fighting with Stinger missiles against the Soviets. Is this why he was dumped in the sea?

  • Who did give him arms in the days he fought the Russians?

Bin Laden recieving Arms from Brzezinski

  • Had he been put on trial who else he might have also implicated in his crimes.

The Aftermath

  • We are told he was buried at sea to forestall there being a place of memorial for his followers. Those who ever participate in the laying of wreaths in the North Sea the Atlantic for all those unknown losses of seamen in the 2nd World War will understand that is a nonsense to suggest.
  • The memorials to unknown soldiers around the World prove you do not need a body to create a place of remembrance. No one is buried at the Cenotaph in Whitehall London or at the Australian War Memorial or for that matter Trafalgar Square.
  • The question of not having a place for burial to forestall a place of pilgrimage. What rubbish. I wonder where Adolf Eichmann is buried. As he was now dead affording him Muslims burial rights? He distorted the Koran and was a War criminal why not cremation?
  •  By not taking him alive the opportunity to interrogate (I stress not torture we should be above such behaviour) denies the opportunity to investigate his criminal network. All the Nazi criminals at Nuremberg were interrogated for this very reason.
  • We are told it was a luxury Mansion It looked a pretty poor piece of luxury to me…a crack den more like! :-).
  • If there was such a fire fight of 45 minutes where are all the bullet pock marks on the walls. With all the rubbish strewn about why in the video I have seen are there no spent cartridges?
  • To the right this is the picture released yesterday supposedly that is Bin Laden. Problem is they were released several years ago to the press in  UK ( I did display the pictures yesterday 4 May but to confirm the fakes were released several years ago  I have removed them for the time being) 6th may as the pictures were indeed fakes there is no point in posting them just for the sake of it…they are gruesome and serve no purpose.
  • Why the initial reluctance to show the body. In other times such as the death of Himmler or Goering Mussolini Nicolae Ceaușescu Saddam’s sons were shown  We were also shown the Hanging of Saddam.

Nazi Leaders executed

  • Why were we first told that Bin Ladin was armed he died in a firefight and now this has suddenly changed?
  • Finally Is it just co-incidence this action occurred on the very day after the killing of Gadaffi’s Son Grand Children in what turns out was a strike not in Gaddafi compound but in a residential neighbourhood. Some of the World ready to condemn was now looking the other way.

So to priority 2 … deleted 25 03 2022


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